Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Coney Island Baby · Post by **Coney Island Baby** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:31 pm

He should've escaped with the rest of the Warriors. What did he think he was going to achieve by going back?

Post by **War Chief** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:14 am

Good point, though I guess he didn't know he would be framed for killing Cyrus. If you watch the introduction (especially the deleted one) it looks like Cleon really respects this Cyrus guy and that he'd do anything to get up to The Bronx. I guess he knew a lot about Cyrus prior to the meeting, then he just wanted to pay his respects.

snowball fury · Post by **snowball fury** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:42 am

I think he was in disbelief that the meeting came to a crashing end.

Amano · Post by **Amano** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:28 am

I think he was jus confused and curious, and wanted to know what happened and what was going on.

A better question is why the hell did Luther & the Rogues hang around so close to Cyrus after Luther shot him.

starcat the cosmic toker · Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:05 am

cause it looks like they are innocent if they stick around the scene of the crime....thats why luther stayed i mean

Hippy · Post by **Hippy** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:28 am

Coney Island Baby wrote:He should've escaped with the rest of the Warriors. What did he think he was going to achieve by going back?

The Reason is because he and Cyrus met early and Cleon gave him his Word that his troops wouldn't pull out any weapons.

Coney Island Baby · Post by **Coney Island Baby** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:56 am

'Right about now, Cleon's most likely got a nightstick shoved half way up his ass'.

Coney Island Baby · Post by **Coney Island Baby** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:53 pm

I don't think Cleon had met Cyrus before, because at the beginning he says: 'Everyone says Cyrus is the one and only, I think we better go take a look for ourselves'.

Post by **The Fox** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:28 pm

I think in the book he does meet him?

Well Papa Arnold does.

cyrus7041 · Post by **cyrus7041** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:19 pm

What I also don't understand is Cleon went right by the Riff guards and nobody went after him. He marched his way right to Cyrus and all the other Top Riff's surrounding their fallen leader. Then Luther accuses him of killing Cyrus and the Riffs believe this beatupguy and beat Cleon down.

starcat the cosmic toker · Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:52 am

he held his own for a bit... he must have been a serious badass!!! does anyone know if he died in the book???

Coney Island Baby · Post by **Coney Island Baby** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:47 am

In the book, there are no Rogues to accuse Cleon (Papa Arnold) of anything. He just has this compulsion to sneak a look at Cyrus' face while he's lying there dead. The Riffs, naturally pissed that their leader's just been shot, ask him what he's looking at, then start beating him down. There are loads of cops around though, rounding everyone up, so they may of stopped the beating and he may of survived. I highly doubt that he survived the elbow attack in the film though.

StevenFallonNYC · Post by **StevenFallonNYC** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:22 pm

I got the impression that Cleon was really disappointed in Cyrus' death because he really wanted whatever Cyrus had planned to work out. He has a real down look on his face when he looks at Cyrus after he was shot.

Post by **GonzoNYC** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:03 pm

That's interesting but I got the totally opposite feeling. As Cleon said in the beginning Cyrus is supposed to be "the one and only". Cyrus is this almost religious figure, especially as he is shot while his arms outstretched. I think Cleon got close enough and saw that Cyrus was only human brought down by a gun, not invinsible. I think his expression showed that realization.

BigMike7 · Post by **BigMike7** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:45 pm

The thing I always noticed about Cleon's statement about Cyrus that "everybody says he is the one and only" is that he doesn't seem to convinced. "We'll have a look for ourselves."

That being said, I think he was dissappointed at Cyrus' death...

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