The Lizzes

[LizzyBorden]

How could anyone call them ugly [left girl dancing excluded]

[The Fox]

Have you been drinking?

[SoldierHeavyMuscle]

I think why so many males are so quick to assume the Lizzies MUST be a lesbian gang has less to do with facts but more to do with desire.

you're kiddin, right?? not every guy in the world is enthralled with the chick, on chick, thing!
my personal feeling, is yeah, i'm pretty sure they're dyke's! as far as the guy gang's being gay, LOLOL how does that figure into this?? if they're called the "homos" or the "faggers" or fairies, then yeah! an all girl gang does not imply, they're lesbians! being named the lizzies, being pretty butch, dancing together, (provacatively) and the look on the chick's face when she said "we're the lizzies" like she was looking for a reaction, or shock value, so to speak! (you gotta remember gays, and lesbians, were not as commonly open then, as they are now.) does imply it however!! quite well i might add!! and as far as the desire, i think most guys, have a thing, for "fine" lesbians, or "hot" bi-chick's! not a bunch of butch broad's, who look like your brother, or your "guy" buddies!!!
i wouldn't even wanna WATCH any of those chick's, let alone participate! :p

[The Fox]

I think why so many males are so quick to assume the Lizzies MUST be a lesbian gang has less to do with facts but more to do with desire.

you're kiddin, right?? not every guy in the world is enthralled with the chick, on chick, thing!
my personal feeling, is yeah, i'm pretty sure they're dyke's! as far as the guy gang's being gay, LOLOL how does that figure into this?? if they're called the "homos" or the "faggers" or fairies, then yeah! an all girl gang does not imply, they're lesbians! being named the lizzies, being pretty butch, dancing together, (provacatively) and the look on the chick's face when she said "we're the lizzies" like she was looking for a reaction, or shock value, so to speak! (you gotta remember gays, and lesbians, were not as commonly open then, as they are now.) does imply it however!! quite well i might add!! and as far as the desire, i think most guys, have a thing, for "fine" lesbians, or "hot" bi-chick's! not a bunch of butch broad's, who look like your brother, or your "guy" buddies!!!
i wouldn't even wanna WATCH any of those chick's, let alone participate! :p

I'm hearin ya and i can dig what you're saying :badgrin:

[Tantive7]

:p
Yo could anyone please get a better picture of The Chick with the orange Jacket,sitting on the chair,she was hot to me,I was eyeing all of them, I wonder if someone could get a better picture of her,
Everyone gets to distracted by the blonde,but she stood out to me!! and personally,I think they were lesbians,after all,they had the multi-colored rainbow Lesbian colors on their shirt??? did anyone observe that??

[LizzyBorden]

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[thediceman]

[soldierheavymuscle]
you're kiddin, right?? not every guy in the world is enthralled with the chick, on chick, thing!
my personal feeling, is yeah, i'm pretty sure they're dyke's! an all girl gang does not imply, they're lesbians! being named the lizzies, being pretty butch, dancing together, (provacatively) and the look on the chick's face when she said "we're the lizzies" like she was looking for a reaction, or shock value, so to speak! does imply it however!! quite well i might add!! [/quote]

Firstly, no I'm not kidding.
Secondly, I did not suggest EVERY guy had that view. I do however believe it to be a popular view.
Thirdly, you believe they are because it is implied which is the basis of of my arguement. People assume something based on perception rather than facts.
Fourthly, just because they are called the Lizzies and this sounds like Lezzies, which is what Lesbians are frequently refered to, is this enough to state they were a lesbian gang.
Fifthly, When she says "we're the lizzies" you state this was to get a reaction, shock value from the Warriors. How was she shocking them?. I would suggest it was done in a suggestive manner. If it was to make let them know, we are lezzies, then the Warriors clearly didn't understand the message as the were so keen to get it on with them. Or is it a case that they thought they could cure them.

Again I come back to the FACT that they were never refered to as a lesbian gang and it is the viewers of the film who have assumed they are saying it is implied. Implication is no justification of something as a matter of fact.

Fact vs Perception.

[thediceman]

:p
and personally,I think they were lesbians,after all,they had the multi-colored rainbow Lesbian colors on their shirt??? did anyone observe that??

I did notice the tye dye shirts and whilst assuming it as the gangs uniform I would agrue that it can't be based on the rainbow flag as there is no yellow or orange in it. Having two colours missing from a design which only has 6 colours, therefore 33% of the design missing, would suggest that they are either bad designers or colour blind lesbians.

[thediceman]

[quote="Tantive7"]The Chick with the orange Jacket,sitting on the chair,she was hot to me,
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Just watched that scene and agree she quite hot but the husky Lizzie get's my vote.

However there is another one who I think is even hotter but you don't get to see very clearly and need to watch it in slow-mo. It's the long haired one who wears a dark waistcoat. She is also the Lizzie shown in the theatrical trailer who tries to knife Vermin.

[prozium]

I think we could all go on stereotypes and say all butch women are lesbians, all women who dance togeather are lesbians. If thats the case then I know a LOT of lesbians! I know guys who look the stereotype version of a gay man, who hang around women a lot just as friends but who are straight.

Maybe some Lizzies were lesbian maybe some wern't I really don't care. Maybe Ajax was secretly gay, they say that the most homophobic people are usually the closet gays who are afraid to admit it. Maybe Cowboy or Rembrandt were gay. Who cares?

Besides, if the Lizzies are to be an all feale gang the maybe they'd have to be a bit butch so that they could hold their own

[thediceman]

I agree an all female gang would tend to attract a few butch types, just look at some of the all girl ASBO gangs you see on the tv, very scary.

[SoldierHeavyMuscle]

ya sure you're not kidding??
what? no sixthly??
takin all this a little seriously, ain't ya??
i mean really, who cares, if they are or they're not! it's a 10 minute segment, in a movie!! (i guess we do, we've all been talking about it.)
and you left out my caption, after what i said about the look on her face when she said lizzie's.
in 1979 if you and a group of your girlfriend's introduced yourselves, as the lizzie's! do you think people would be shocked? of course they would! and shocking, or suggestive, it still kinda leans toward lesbian.
what's suggestive about being called the lizzies, if you're straight? unless the word lizzy, (if it's even a word, other than a name.) refers to, or describes something else??? again, if they are or they're not, who cares??
they try and kill the warriors!! that makes em an enemy!
first impression's suck!! and can often be the wrong one's! but, that's the way it is.
you can't honestly say with a straight face, that it's not implied!! wether they are, or they're not, it's most surely implied! and it seem's like you're gettin pissed at us, or tryin to make us feel guilty, for thinking they are. i don't care that you think they aren't! which kinda makes me wonder, why it bothers you so much, that others do???
maybe it's your desire's to believe that they're straight, no matter what! or maybe, it's something else? whatever the reason, it just seems like you're way to worried about it!!
p.s. you don't have to arrange your point's in numerical order, like you're aggravated.
i can get through a whole paragraph, numbered, or not!

[The Fox]

I just think that it points to them being Lesbo's and nothing will change my mind. :badgrin:

CAN YOU DIGGGGGGGGGGGGG IT. 8)

[thediceman]

Hey SHM, lightenup, I merely posted this to start a discussion about how it is easy for people to assume something as fact when it isn't. I infact assummed like the majority of people that the Lizzies were a lesbian gang as a result of the numerous implied actions during that scene. It is only after reading the orginal script and an online review that I thought how quick we are all to assume something without looking into the facts.

God forbid I try to open up a discussion point and play devil's advocate to other peoples views and try to open up an alternative view of looking beyond the obvious. I'm not at all pissed off, aggravated or whatever you care to suggest with anybody but it appears you are pissed off because I am willing to post an alternative view which ask's others to look explian their viewpoints. I make no apologies for doing that, we are after all allowed to have differing views and discuss them without cheapshots like "why does it bother you" and "you seem worried about it".

This is after at the end of a day an open forum which we talk about various aspects of the film the Warriors. Shame it can not be done in an adult manner without your "cheapshots" towards my character and suggestion that I must have issues. I could respond and say why do you have such an issue at somebody who posts an alternative view to open up a discussion point. It's what we adults do.

Maybe you would be happy if I start posting "Ajax is great" and "I love Micheal Beck" rather than develop topics for debate.

[Ranchgal]

Firstly, no I'm not kidding.
Secondly, I did not suggest EVERY guy had that view. I do however believe it to be a popular view.
Thirdly, you believe they are because it is implied which is the basis of of my arguement. People assume something based on perception rather than facts.
Fourthly, just because they are called the Lizzies and this sounds like Lezzies, which is what Lesbians are frequently refered to, is this enough to state they were a lesbian gang.
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OH PLEASE---back in the 70s they were called the Lizzies because:

"Lizzy Bordon took an axe
and gave her mother 40 whacks.
and when the job was nicely done,
She gave her father 41!"

It has nothing to do with Lessies(girl on girl etc)---sorry, but what it meant was--you piss me off, and you may end up DEAD!!!
and we may not be conventional about it!!
there were horror movies based on it at the time, and even some documentaries, and tv movie--- the perceptions you are basing your statement on are from the current time period, not from when the movie was made, IT may be how some look at it NOW, but back then, it was harmless enough, and whether or not some of them played for both teams, doesn't change the fact that just because they danced together--doesn't make them lesbians----SORRY--I grew up in an era where lots of girls danced with girls back then, because until the guys were about half tuned, they wouldn't get on the floor unless you were lucky and loved you enough. So you didn't end up hooked up till mid way through the evening---and there was NO reason to waste the good music till then---we danced with each other alot until DISCO came in and then the guys got with it.
The woman was real, the crime was real, the trial was real and it became an attitude!!! She got off though, because they couldn't prove that SHE really did it, she'd burned her clothes---and CSI didn't really exist as we know it now.