Playing Devil's Advocate

[Kujo_87]

"Okay, when I read that the New Warriors movies is gonna be based on more real gangs, I was [bad word deleted]ed off. But If you think about It The Fans of the original are gonna be [bad word deleted]ed off either way. You make the new Warriors movie like the original some are be like " He totally copied the original " . If the new warriors movie was changed, people will be like " He changing every thing ". Now don't get all [bad word deleted]ed just expressing my opinion. I think the 2006 warriors movie, is gonna be like the movie colors and boyz in the hood, by the style of the gangs. And I think that the Director will find " Unknown actors ". No matter how mant changes there are Im still gonna go see it." -floyd2006

I know I'm probably going to catch hell for this but I feel like I gotta say this. I agree with floyd2006 and the other postres who have made similiar statements about seeing the movie no matter how different it is. I think people's expectations for this remake are to high. There really isn't anyway you can do a remake of the '79 film and please everyone.

First off I know "The Warriors" is, as we all know, a stylized action film; but it's a stylized action film based on a book about the strife and scocial deprivation that plagued almost the entire city of New York during the late 1960s and the entire 1970s. Both the book and the film showcased the truth about what was going on in New York City during those times, a truth that doesn't apply now as much as it did back then. Sure it still has its social issues like crime and poverty, but you'd be hard pressed to find a city that didn't in today's world. One problem it shook after its rvitialization is street gangs.

Its all about organized crime nowadays. If someone catches a beat-down in New York its not going to be in an epic rumble with an even number of scrappers to each side or a one-on-one, its going to be in a 10-on-1 ass whoopin' that'll most likely have the victim in the hospital lookin' at mash for months. Most New York gangstas nowadays would pull a gun and empty the clip on someone or cut 'em before they'd throw a punch. And just like L.A., drive-bys do happen in The Big Apple if you didn't know.

Another thing is setting. In '79 I'm sure it was one of the seediest and most danerous places in the city, but let's face it, present day Coney Island is one of the last places you can seriously expect to find a street gang as crunk as the Warriors were or a steet gang period. Of course it has some crime, but gangs? Even if there were they'd probably get very little respect from any gangsta in New York. It would be more realistic for them to come from a place like South Jamaica Queens nowadays, and that would eliminate all the white characters ( say by to Ajax, Vermin, Cowboy, and Sawn). And a top dawg gang like the Riffs would have to be from the Marcy Projects or Harlem.

Basically the fact is, even if the remake took place in the Big City of Dreams instead of The City of Angels it would still be just as different from the original. The film would instead have to be presented as the story of comic book or some New York of the future like Walter Hill originally intended or maybe even a flash back type thing of a former Warriors member reflecting on the events of the movie, and I wouldn't mind that but I think most people on this site and fans of the original in general aren't to keen on that idea. But really thats the only ways you could keep it even remotely close to the original .

Gang activity in LA is definetly closer to what we see in the '79 film than anything in new york today, so you can't really blame Tony Scott for leaning more toward the novel as far as plot goes and bringing the film down there and changing the action from stylized street fights to bare knuckle brawling and shoot-outs/drive-bys because a New York remake would be the same.An even if the "Warriors" is just going to be the title and focus instead on the Bloods or Crips or any other LA crew how else could you really do a remake and base it on reality like the original. And the LA gangs actually promised Tony Scott a city wide truce if while the movie during the entire time it takes to produce the film and not just filming. I know to most this seems pretty ridiculous, but has anyone heard of any major gang trouble in LA since? Anyone here who actually stays around places like Oakland, Compton, Long Beach, or Inglewood please tell me, I would honestly like to know.

Time to wrap this up. Really all I'm saying is the whole "reality based stylized film" idea seems to be one of the key factors that made the original a classic. The only problem is people wanna see a remake based on a reality in New York that is pretty much non-existent now. If anyone wants to prove me wrong or gets mad at me for this then go ahead, I can't say I blame you and I won't hold it against you. I just think the remake is getting judged too harshly before its even given a chance to hit the screen. Besides, Tony Scott is no slouch when it comes to directing, I think if anyone can make this work besides Walter Hill its definately Tony Scott.

    [-o< Really I just hope Tantive7 doesen't see this and get [bad word deleted]ed off. The impact post would probably kill me! 

P.s.- fury2006 had nothing to do with this. I just qouted him to open this, so if you get heated I'm the only person you should direct it at.

                                                                                                                   

[Kujo_87]

I haven't been on in a few days, and not really expecting anyone to, but I forgot to add that u can leave your opinins if you want

[Daddy Cool]

Gang activity in LA is definetly closer to what we see in the '79 film than anything in new york today, And the LA gangs actually promised Tony Scott a city wide truce if while the movie during the entire time it takes to produce the film and not just filming. I know to most this seems pretty ridiculous, but has anyone heard of any major gang trouble in LA since? Anyone here who actually stays around places like Oakland, Compton, Long Beach, or Inglewood please tell me, I would honestly like to know.

i stay in Oakland n i aint heard of any major gang trouble in LA in a while.But thats cause im too busy hearin bout the trouble that go on in my city i think the LA gangs will do the truce thing for a while but when theyre done filmin,the gangs will slowly start the trouble again cause its a lot of knuckleheads that like to kill for fun.This might sound rediculous,but i know ppl that really kill for fun and fame And besides the knuckleheads,its the younger generation thats gettin crazier,a lot of em cant fight,but they trigger happy.And as long as we keep killin each other off(Blacks,Latinos)we lettin the Government win cause thats what they want us to do.They dont want us here,they want us killed and/or locked up :evil:When 1 get killed,the killer get locked up and to them its killin 2 birds with 1 stone

i got a lil off topic,but thats whats goin on in reality today.I aint tryin to knock T.Scott for remakin The Warriors,but with drive bys and shoot outs,its gone be too real.1 reason why the original Warriors is still bein watched today is cause the movie took us away from reality with the colorful gangs and the fightin

[SoldierHeavyMuscle]

oh, man!!
let me get my violin!!
stop it, i'm getiin misty!! 

and yeah, you're exactly right!!
thats EXACTLY what the government wants!
is for all black, and latino's to kill each other off, and be imprisoned!! 

wake the hell up, slick!!
this aint the 60's
and i dont know where the hell, you been livin at for the last 20, 25 yrs.
but it aint the united states.

and uh, lets leave the "racism crap" and the political garbage, outta here.
ok?

however, you're pretty "on the mark" about the gangs, and the "shooter fools" these days.
and well, pretty much the last 25 yrs, or so.
it used to be different.

"hard" used to mean, ya handled your business!
ya didnt "coward" from nobody!
and ya stood up for yourself, and your partners!

now it means, you're quick to put a slug, in somebody.
or quick to air a dude out!

pathetic, really.
to afraid to take an ass-kickin!

(punks!)  :badgrin:

[Journey]

oh, man!!
let me get my violin!!
stop it, i'm getiin misty!! 

and yeah, you're exactly right!!
thats EXACTLY what the government wants!
is for all black, and latino's to kill each other off, and be imprisoned!! 

wake the hell up, slick!!
this aint the 60's
and i dont know where the hell, you been livin at for the last 20, 25 yrs.
but it aint the united states.

and uh, lets leave the "racism crap" and the political garbage, outta here.
ok?

however, you're pretty "on the mark" about the gangs, and the "shooter fools" these days.
and well, pretty much the last 25 yrs, or so.
it used to be different.

"hard" used to mean, ya handled your business!
ya didnt "coward" from nobody!
and ya stood up for yourself, and your partners!

now it means, you're quick to put a slug, in somebody.
or quick to air a dude out!

pathetic, really.
to afraid to take an ass-kickin!

(punks!)  :badgrin:

QFAT, paranoia about racism is weird, if the government wanted to kill of people of different races the KKK would still be in major business, everything would still be segregated, they werent scared of donig it then and they wouldnt be scared of doing it now, but they dont, if it happens that from your experience that its mainly latinos and blacks that get killed or locked up, it aint the governments fault (arrrrggggghhh get out of my mind stupid politics)

but youre right, the meaning of words have changed (hard is the perfect example, it now means how big your gun is)

But anyway Kujo, this is an excellent topic on the new film, a refreshing point

[Daddy Cool]

wake the hell up, slick!!
this aint the 60's
and i dont know where the hell, you been livin at for the last 20, 25 yrs.
but it aint the united states.

im up n wide awake n i been livin here all me life my frien

[Kujo_87]

MMaaannnn... I didn't expect this to turn into a race issue. I'm black too, but I gotta say I doubt the goverment is tryin' to take us out. Maybe in the 1800s but not now, and even if they were it definately wouldn't be the government as a whole it would be some small group like KKK lobbyists or something. Anyway, all I'm saying is that this was meant to be a discussion on why the 2006 movie shouldn't be judjed so harshly so lets just stick to that, alright? There's no reason for Warriors to argue anyway (remember what what happened to Ajax  )

And Daddy Cool, thanks for the info on the gang activity, much appreciated  .

[Daddy Cool]

MMaaannnn... I didn't expect this to turn into a race issue. I'm black too, but I gotta say I doubt the goverment is tryin' to take us out. Maybe in the 1800s but not now, and even if they were it definately wouldn't be the government as a whole it would be some small group like KKK lobbyists or something. Anyway, all I'm saying is that this was meant to be a discussion on why the 2006 movie shouldn't be judjed so harshly so lets just stick to that, alright? There's no reason for Warriors to argue anyway (remember what what happened to Ajax  )

And Daddy Cool, thanks for the info on the gang activity, much appreciated  .

i didn try to get racial i just got a lil emotional like Michael Jackson lol n no problemo for da info

[taylor]

now i know you said no more talk about racisam and the warriors forum probably isn't the best place for this but here it goes,... im from brighton east coast of england the gang activety is low here. small gangs crossing out each others tags that kind of stuff. so im not talking out of experience or anything here but for me race is way to big every were these days.
and heres were im probably going to get alot of flak but it seems to by mainly black to white rasium. think about it when was the last time you herd "get your skinny balck ass over here"

now im no racist my best friend is black

and getting back to warriors as long as they don't make this new to gangsta' it should be fine

[Kujo_87]

now i know you said no more talk about racisam and the warriors forum probably isn't the best place for this but here it goes,... im from brighton east coast of england the gang activety is low here. small gangs crossing out each others tags that kind of stuff. so im not talking out of experience or anything here but for me race is way to big every were these days.
and heres were im probably going to get alot of flak but it seems to by mainly black to white rasium. think about it when was the last time you herd "get your skinny balck ass over here"

now im no racist my best friend is black

and getting back to warriors as long as they don't make this new to gangsta' it should be fine

Man I haven't checked this thing out in a while, but whatever. The way I see it, racism is gonna be around as long as there are different ethnicties, which seems to be more of an issue than actual skin color nowadays. It probably won't stop until we all eventually reach the point where every race has finally mixed together and all of humankind becomes the one single uber-race, when every body is mixed with everything and no longer has a choice but to accept eachother-yea right :doubt: even then we'll probably find something to argue about.

I digress though. Please  [-o<, no more discussions on issues of race or culture in this thread,( I don't want to get nailed by a mod), there's an "Ethnicity" thread in the Off-topic forum that you can check out for that, if your gonna post in this thread, just stick to the topic, Please.

Oh and by the way Taylor, I hear its gona be reall, really, [glow=red,2,300]REALLY[/glow] gangsta