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Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:31 pm
by Coney Island Baby
He should've escaped with the rest of the Warriors. What did he think he was going to achieve by going back?

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:14 am
by War Chief
Good point, though I guess he didn't know he would be framed for killing Cyrus. If you watch the introduction (especially the deleted one) it looks like Cleon really respects this Cyrus guy and that he'd do anything to get up to The Bronx. I guess he knew a lot about Cyrus prior to the meeting, then he just wanted to pay his respects.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:42 am
by snowball fury
I think he was in disbelief that the meeting came to a crashing end.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:28 am
by Amano
I think he was jus confused and curious, and wanted to know what happened and what was going on.

A better question is why the hell did Luther & the Rogues hang around so close to Cyrus after Luther shot him.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:05 am
by starcat the cosmic toker
cause it looks like they are innocent if they stick around the scene of the crime....thats why luther stayed i mean

Re: Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:28 am
by Hippy
Coney Island Baby wrote:He should've escaped with the rest of the Warriors. What did he think he was going to achieve by going back?
The Reason is because he and Cyrus met early and Cleon gave him his Word that his troops wouldn't pull out any weapons.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:56 am
by Coney Island Baby
'Right about now, Cleon's most likely got a nightstick shoved half way up his ass'.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:53 pm
by Coney Island Baby
I don't think Cleon had met Cyrus before, because at the beginning he says: 'Everyone says Cyrus is the one and only, I think we better go take a look for ourselves'.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:28 pm
by The Fox
I think in the book he does meet him?

Well Papa Arnold does.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:19 pm
by cyrus7041
What I also don't understand is Cleon went right by the Riff guards and nobody went after him. He marched his way right to Cyrus and all the other Top Riff's surrounding their fallen leader. Then Luther accuses him of killing Cyrus and the Riffs believe this beatupguy and beat Cleon down.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:52 am
by starcat the cosmic toker
he held his own for a bit... he must have been a serious badass!!! does anyone know if he died in the book???

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:47 am
by Coney Island Baby
In the book, there are no Rogues to accuse Cleon (Papa Arnold) of anything. He just has this compulsion to sneak a look at Cyrus' face while he's lying there dead. The Riffs, naturally pissed that their leader's just been shot, ask him what he's looking at, then start beating him down. There are loads of cops around though, rounding everyone up, so they may of stopped the beating and he may of survived. I highly doubt that he survived the elbow attack in the film though.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:22 pm
by StevenFallonNYC
I got the impression that Cleon was really disappointed in Cyrus' death because he really wanted whatever Cyrus had planned to work out. He has a real down look on his face when he looks at Cyrus after he was shot.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:03 pm
by GonzoNYC
That's interesting but I got the totally opposite feeling. As Cleon said in the beginning Cyrus is supposed to be "the one and only". Cyrus is this almost religious figure, especially as he is shot while his arms outstretched. I think Cleon got close enough and saw that Cyrus was only human brought down by a gun, not invinsible. I think his expression showed that realization.

Why the hell did Cleon go back?

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:45 pm
by BigMike7
The thing I always noticed about Cleon's statement about Cyrus that "everybody says he is the one and only" is that he doesn't seem to convinced. "We'll have a look for ourselves."

That being said, I think he was dissappointed at Cyrus' death...