why does thomas g waites (fox) leave?

maria · Post by **maria** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:13 pm

I dont know if Ive missed it along the way somewhere but why does the actor thomas g waites leave the film?
Was there a argument, bad feeling? Or did he just walk out never to return????

ohs · Post by **ohs** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:19 pm

Fox (Waites) was suppose to be the main character and not Swan. Walter Hill and Waites didnt see eye to eye so their was a huge argument and Waites left the set. This is just what I remember reading from somewhere, but I cant remember where.

JoePal · Post by **JoePal** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:46 pm

i have a STRONG feeling about the reason why....

the actor Tom (Fox) wants to have a relationship with Mercy in the movie, so he probably encouraged Walter to re-write the script, but he didn't do it so Swan is Mercy's "love" interest..

clue - why is Fox holding Mercy with his hand running around in the station before he was killed? is the love interest between both already developed that we don't know about? who knows if the film ends up on the cutting room floor..... why is there a production photo of them together? so many questions are left unanswered...

the ending credits on the new DVD has no mention of Tom, but he is only mentioned breifly in one of the featurettes by Walter Hill. Vermin, Snow and Cowboy have no information at all for the featurettes but it's nice of Deborah (Mercy) for bringing up Rembrandt and some other Warriors fan...

Warrior Ajax · Post by **Warrior Ajax** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:59 pm

do you guys think the movie would have been better if fox was a main character?

JoePal · Post by **JoePal** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:09 am

Warrior Ajax wrote:do you guys think the movie would have been better if fox was a main character?

No.

I do wish Cleon has more film time to see more of his character. (the deleted opening scene isn't enough!)

Post by **SoldierHeavyMuscle** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:13 am

JoePal wrote:i have a STRONG feeling about the reason why....

the actor Tom (Fox) wants to have a relationship with Mercy in the movie, so he probably encouraged Walter to re-write the script, but he didn't do it so Swan is Mercy's "love" interest..

clue - why is Fox holding Mercy with his hand running around in the station before he was killed? is the love interest between both already developed that we don't know about? who knows if the film ends up on the cutting room floor..... why is there a production photo of them together? so many questions are left unanswered...

the ending credits on the new DVD has no mention of Tom, but he is only mentioned breifly in one of the featurettes by Walter Hill. Vermin, Snow and Cowboy have no information at all for the featurettes but it's nice of Deborah (Mercy) for bringing up Rembrandt and some other Warriors fan...

fox WAS supossed to have the relationship with mercy!! that's how it is in the script.
but something tell's me, that that STRONG feeling, you have is something that an INSIDER who either, worked, on the film, or was in the film, would have!

i got the script, but i might not have the LAST version of it, right joe!

supposedly, they saw the chemistry between michael beck, and deborah van valkenburg, and then they changed the script! and that's when waites took the walk!
but what do i know??

Ranchgal · Post by **Ranchgal** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:42 am

From the LOOK magazine interview, I gathered that---Tom was not showing any screen presence, and Michael WAS showing LOTS of screen charisma---
the chemistry with Mercy was secondary to the fact that everyone's eyes were on Michael's abilities, and Tom was becoming lost in the background.
Tom wasn't showing chemistry with either the rest of the group or Mercy. They were counting on him to "stand out" more within the group.
and Michael was becoming the lead by default. Cause he was better.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:01 am

Nah. Waites was probably just bad at making out, so he left rather than be embarassed...

JoePal · Post by **JoePal** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:29 am

soldierheavymuscle wrote:
JoePal wrote:i have a STRONG feeling about the reason why....

the actor Tom (Fox) wants to have a relationship with Mercy in the movie, so he probably encouraged Walter to re-write the script, but he didn't do it so Swan is Mercy's "love" interest..

clue - why is Fox holding Mercy with his hand running around in the station before he was killed? is the love interest between both already developed that we don't know about? who knows if the film ends up on the cutting room floor..... why is there a production photo of them together? so many questions are left unanswered...

the ending credits on the new DVD has no mention of Tom, but he is only mentioned breifly in one of the featurettes by Walter Hill. Vermin, Snow and Cowboy have no information at all for the featurettes but it's nice of Deborah (Mercy) for bringing up Rembrandt and some other Warriors fan...
fox WAS supossed to have the relationship with mercy!! that's how it is in the script.
but something tell's me, that that STRONG feeling, you have is something that an INSIDER who either, worked, on the film, or was in the film, would have!
i got the script, but i might not have the LAST version of it, right joe!
supposedly, they saw the chemistry between michael beck, and deborah van valkenburg, and then they changed the script! and that's when waites took the walk!
but what do i know??

i have not read a script yet - i will check it out this weekend.. thanks for the heads up.

StevenFallonNYC · Post by **StevenFallonNYC** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:33 pm

It is interesting how Fox, after he tells Mercy off and she says to him how she's not a whore, gives her the "once over" with his eyes up and down really quick before he walks off, checking her out.

Putrid Moldyman · Post by **Putrid Moldyman** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 pm

I was really surrpised to learn from the script that The Fox was supposed to be such a major part of the movie. I mean no offesne, but I really think the role was miscasted. Mr. Waites really didn't have charisma, at least not in that role, and I honestly think things turned out for the best.

I do wonder if the character will play a much larger role in the videogame.

Post by **Lion** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:21 pm

ohs wrote: Fox (Waites) was suppose to be the main character and not Swan. Walter Hill and Waites didnt see eye to eye so their was a huge argument and Waites left the set. This is just what I remember reading from somewhere, but I cant remember where.

See and they are supposed to be professionals!

ajax the warrior · Post by **ajax the warrior** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:05 am

I think he left because walter hill and thomas g waites had an arguement and yes you are right he was supposed to have a relationship with mercy but i am not quite sure what caused the arguement.

Cyrus · Post by **Cyrus** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:22 pm

ajax the warrior wrote: I think he left because walter hill and thomas g waites had an arguement and yes you are right he was supposed to have a relationship with mercy but i am not quite sure what caused the arguement.

Apparently, the argument was caused by Walter Hill's decision to 'make' a relationship in the movie between Swan and Mercy, instead of Fox and Mercy. By doing that, Fox has lost his 'place' in the movie, in other words, he was not that important character any more. Unhappy with the size of his role, he decided to leave.
At least that's what I've heard.

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